Last week I wrote a column about how I believe that Radiohead’s OK Computer is the best album of the last 20 years. One person who did not agree with me is my friend and Celebration Rock podcast producer Derek Madden, a longtime Radiohead fan who’s been on board with the band since Pablo Honey.

For Madden, OK Computer isn’t even the best Radiohead LP — he prefers 2007’s In Rainbows. He’s not alone in this opinion — numerous people reached out to me on Twitter after my story ran to express similar sentiments.

So I invited Derek back on the pod to debate OK Computer vs. In Rainbows. We also talk about whether Kid A has aged well, Derek’s experience seeing Radiohead open for Alanis Morissette in 1996, and how we would try to convert a Radiohead skeptic.